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CSS Alice  : LOL!!
CSS Jo     : <<<in awe of ALice>>>
CSS Dennis : Night Tracy!
CSS Dennis : Is David still here?
CSS Jo     : BYe Tracy!
CSS Jo     : {{{Tracy}}}
CSS Alice  : (don't be Jo.... I make PLENTY of mistakes.... but we
             won't get into that now) :)
CSC Bob    : ::nudging David::
CSS Dennis : hehehehe
CSS David  : (Ooops. Sorry... writing to one of my charges.)
CSS David  : I think that I came in after that part, Dennis. I
             haven't been here for the whole class.
CSS Tony   : Hi All
CSS Alice  : Hi Tony :)
CSS Dennis : Oh oh, no recess for you then.
CSS Tony   : Sorry I'm late, had a family emergency
CSS Jo     : I thought the only options for the 3rd letter were q,
             n, or p?
CSS David  : Game?
CSS Dennis : in the case of the map word swammyp, the category
             would be Products.
CSS David  : *dang!*
CSS Jo     : You lost me on that one DEnnis
CSS Dennis : Correct Jo, in the ID#'s.  This was a map word
             (trick question)  :)
CSS Jo     : (meanie!) :::shooting airplane at DEnnis:::
CSS Tony   : <___ Is lost, can't you tell?
CSS Alice  : So, the 3rd letter in the id#, is the same as the
             LAST letter in the map word, right?
CSS Jo     : Tony, I have the whole evening in memory, will send
             it your way!
CSS Dennis : YES!!  You got it Alice!
CSS Tony   : Yaay, thank ya!
CSS Dennis : Jo, if you're logging, send a copy to Tracy too
             please.
CSS Jo     : No problem. :)
CSS Alice  : If I'm not careful, this will all begin to make
             sense!!
CSS Jo     : (ROFL - Alice!)
CSS Dennis : Okay, now for the very last map word and id# that you
             will run into in the Company Text
CSS Dennis : area:
CSC Bob    : Actually, Jo.. if you be logging, will you upload to
             the staff library?? :)
CSS Jo     : Sure.  Glad to.
CSS Dennis : When you checked out the Telecommunications area, you
             probably noticed an entry called:
CSS David  : IS anybody logging? I have been, but only since
             10:37.
CSS Jo     : I was teh first to arrive and have been since we
             started, just in case.
CSS Dennis : Backgroud (othertext).  In some circumstances,
             companies will want to have an additional
CSS Dennis : text article in their top menu, usually just below
             the About file.  These extras are called
CSS Jo     : (took a nap too, just in case!)  :)
CSS Dennis : 'othertext'.  The same naming scheme applies here as
             in the rest of Company text.  The
CSS Dennis : map word for these is: othertext (pretty simple
             huh?).  Now, the id# would be...  (anyone?)
CSS Dennis : third letter??  anyone???
CSS Alice  : o?
CSS Dennis : bingo!!
CSS Jo     : Alice = star pupil
CSS Alice  : what do I win? :)
CSS Dennis : and to top it off, all id#'s in this map will end
             with a number so we can put more in there.
CSS Dennis : In our example of Strategic Simulations, the correct
             id# would be   rnossi01
CSS Dennis : Alice, behind door #1 you win extra hours and the
             gratitude of a little old lady
CSS Dennis : in Tucson, AZ.  :)
CSS Jo     : please break that one down for me, DEnnis.  :)
CSS Alice  : lol!!!
CSS Dennis : Okay, other text the header would be: group csgames,
             map othertext, id# rnossi01
CSS Dennis : is that what you mean Jo??
CSS Jo     : rn=assigned by 'puter
CSS Dennis : yep
CSS Jo     : o = othertext
CSS Dennis : yet
CSS Dennis : oops :)  yep
CSS Jo     : ss=strategic Sims
CSS Dennis : (ssi) yes
CSS Jo     : i=?
CSS Jo     : oh
CSS Jo     : and the 01 is the first of many documents to come
CSS Dennis : On id#'s in Company text, the 4th thru 6th letters
             are an abbreviation of the company name.
CSS Jo     : :)
CSS Dennis : You got it Jo!!
CSS Jo     : YEAH!!!!
CSS Dennis : pop quiz!!!
CSS David  : >>>>tres impressed!<<<<
CSS Dennis : David, you have a reference guide id# of cbutnile,
             what would be the About text id#??
CSS Dennis : (clue: this was covered at the very first of the
             session)  :)
CSS Dennis : hmmm, were you here when we did that??  I can't
             remember.. :)
CSS David  : RE: Clue: I wasn't HERE at the very first!!!
CSS Jo     : riutni01?
CSS Dennis : oops ;)
CSS David  : *dang!* At this rate, I'll never get a golden star...
CSS Dennis : Caught you JO!!  :
CSS Jo     : Ugh!
CSS Dennis : Remember, the only difference between the Reference
             Guide and About text id#'s is the first
CSS Tony   : Dang!
CSS Tony   : Sorry I have to dash, but my son is hacking again and
             i have to go take care of hime
CSS Dennis : two letters.  You got it 75% correct.  Good memory
             though.  I still have to look them
CSS Dennis : up in my database  :)
CSS Dennis : Okay Tony, take care
CSS Tony   : Sorry guys, and remember
CSS Jo     : {{{Tony}}}
CSS Tony   : LOG ME BABY!!!!!!
CSS Tony   : :**** Tanks!
CSC Bob    : Take care, Tony :)
CSS David  : zzzzz . . . long day...
CSS David  : <----can't wait to read the log. ;>
CSS Tony   : ...::POOF:::::......
CSS Dennis : Hokay, now to summarize.  Please keep the divisions
             in mind, they are put there
CSS Dennis : so we can keep this all straight.
CSS Dennis : First, the Reference Guide: group bobaloo, map
             bobaloo, id# cb (then area, two letters, then
CSS Dennis : company name (four letters)
CSS Dennis : DIVISION
CSS Dennis : Second,
CSC Bob    : I dooo like that group name... :)
CSS David  : LOL
CSS Dennis : About text: group csprofiles, map (profiles1 or 2 or
             3 or 4, depending on the first letter
CSS Dennis : of the company name A-F = 1, G - L = 2, M - Q = 3, R
             - Z = 4)
CSS Dennis : id# is ri (two letters for area, then four letters
             for company) last six letters of id# are
CSS Dennis : SAME as in the reference guide.
CSS Dennis : DIVISION
CSS Dennis : Third - Company Text:
CSS Jo     : (DIVISION = new subject, right?)
CSS Dennis : group - depends on area, i.e.; csgames, cstelecom,
             csutil, csmusic, cshardware, csgraphics,
CSS Dennis : cseducation, csdev, csbusiness, and csapps.
CSS David  : ?
CSS Dennis : (yes Jo, hang on a sec David)
CSS Dennis : map - broken into three parts.  Last letter indicates
             type of part i.e.; 'n' = News,
CSS Dennis : 'p' = Press, and 'q' = Questions, or Tips or
             someting.
CSS Dennis : id#, first two letters assigned by computer, third
             letter is confirmation of the map part,
CSS Dennis : next three letters are abbreviation of company, last
             two numbers are the series number.
CSS Dennis : (whew!) David??
CSS David  : What's the capital of Malaysia?
CSS David  : No, kidding!
CSS David  : Lemme see if I'm getting this... I can essentially
             make a template for a co.'s report...
CSS David  : and then just tweak it each new report, right?
CSS David  : That's what this coding leads me to believe.
CSS Dennis : Yes, you could make a template of the header
             information and tweak it for each article
CSS David  : Okay. Do I get a gold star for getting at least that
             much? ;>
CSS Dennis : I wouldn't want to rely on the template too much at
             first though.  Use the built in checks
CSS David  : Yeah....
CSS Dennis : in the map and id#'s to make sure you have the right
             area etc.
CSS David  : I wonder if it would be useful to write a Windows
             program to handle this.
CSS Dennis : Well, we'll settle for bronze, you were sleeping in
             class that one time  :)
CSS David  : No, I was passing notes. ;>
CSS Dennis : Good point David and here's how I'm handling all this
             stuff:
CSS Jo     : :::I hid the evidence in an airplane:::
CSS Jo     : :::he never knew what hit him, David!:::
CSS David  : LOL
CSS Jo     : <====cahmpion paper airplane maker!
CSS Dennis : I use one folder for all my about texts.  Each file
             name is abt(then four letters of company
CSS David  : (Of course, on the Mac we can name it longer . . .
             ;>)
CSS Dennis : name as they appear in the About id#).  For the other
             text stuff, I have only three folders.
CSS Dennis : One for News, one for Products and one called Q_A.
             In them, I file each report by the
CSS Dennis : id#.  That's it.
CSS Dennis : I'm used to the naming scheme so it comes real fast
             for me.  It did take a while though.
CSS Dennis : (actually, messing up and submitting 25 press
             articles in a product folder by mistake)
CSS Dennis : that taught me real fast!
CSS David  : LOL
CSS Jo     : ?
CSS Dennis : That's why I now use the News name instead of Press.
              It keeps it straight. :)
CSS Dennis : Jo?
CSS Jo     : how did you move them to the right place?
CSS Dennis : I didn't Jo.  I had to go in and kill off each
             article and then resubmit them all over again
CSS Dennis : :(
CSS Jo     : ick
CSS Alice  : but that's how we learn! :)
CSS Jo     : :)
CSS David  : owww!
CSS Dennis : :)  Alice knows about killing stuff off  :)
CSS Dennis : So does Pam  :)
CSS Pam    : LOL!!!!
CSS Pam    : <--- carries Mace...
CSS Jo     : The only stuff I've killed was in my kitchen sink
CSS Dennis : wrap up?  Any questions?
CSS David  : I just killed a bunch of my hard drive, but it too
             was by accident...
CSS Jo     : (pretty nasty stuff, too! 1 week on vacation can do
             wonders for flora and fauna!)
CSS Dennis : As always, if you see me online, I'm at your
             disposal.  Just snag me and we'll
CSS Dennis : do an impromptu training session or I'll help out
             where ever I can.
CSS Alice  : Thanks, Dennis.... you've made this a lot clearer !
             :)
CSS David  : coolato...
CSS Dennis : clear as mud right?? :)
CSS Jo     : Yeah!  What ALice said!
CSS Alice  : no, better than that ! :)
CSS Jo     : Yeah!  What you said!
CSS Alice  : lol
CSS Dennis : Keep this in mind, you are submitting to your T1 and
             we are checking them so don't
CSS Dennis : sweat making mistakes. That's how we learn and how we
             figure out how the system
CSS Dennis : works.  Believe me, I have done figured out how this
             system works.  Of course it took
CSS Dennis : me nuking my entire forum once, but I DID learn the
             system. : )
CSS Alice  : :)
CSS Pam    : It's a learning experience for ALL of us. So don't
             worry about messing up or not doing it right.
CSS Jo     : Wow!  ::i open-eyed wonder:::
CSS Pam    : It's all correctable.... eventually.
CSS Jo     : i = in
CSS David  : ROFL, Pam!
CSS Pam    : AND, we've ALL made mistakes!
CSS Dennis : Yea, Pam's right.  To fix a mistake its a quick three
             line rainman submittal:
CSS Dennis : \group cswhatever
CSS Dennis : \map whatever
CSS Dennis : \kill the sucker!  :)
CSS Pam    : And if it's rejected for something, then we can
             figure out what needs to be done.
CSS Alice  : and hope you have saved the original text somewhere?
             :)
CSS Pam    : It's a matter of experience.
CSS Alice  : that got overwritten?
CSS Dennis : and yes David, I DO have that one as a full template
              :)
CSS Jo     : and yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Clause....
CSS David  : Of course!
CSS Dennis : oh crap!!  I almost forgot!!!  NOTE THIS - UNDERLINE
             - HIGHLIGHT  and put
CSS Dennis : a STAR by it.
CSS David  : I'm gonna check it out, and if it would be useful (to
             me), I'll write
CSS David  : a Windows program to do this stuff.
CSS David  : Another option would be Word macros....
CSS Dennis : Rainman WILL NOT accept an article if it has a TAB in
             it.  That will cause the
CSS Dennis : system to burp out your article REAL QUICK.
CSS Jo     : LOL!
CSS Pam    : The most important thing (particularly for PC users)
             is to not have hard returns except paragraph
CSS Pam    : returns...
CSS Dennis : <-- I found that out with one of my articles just
             last week.  Actually three of my articles.
CSS Dennis : :P Pam :)
CSS Pam    : Dennis... did you see Gary's note about saving WP
             files as "Generic" files?
CSS Dennis : Not yet.
CSS Pam    : Yep... he carboned you. I think it works. Jennifer
             (CSS Juno)
CSS Pam    : used it tonight and there was only one hard return..
CSS Dennis : kool!
CSS Pam    : which might have been there before.
CSS Alice  : I think that means Generic WP format though...
             whatever that is.... (if it works, would you
CSS Alice  : let me know, Pam? :)
CSS David  : Probably a plain ASCII text file.
CSS Dennis : I'm using OS/2 so I just open up a window and let my
             macros do the walking  :)
CSS Jo     : Are you folks talking ASCII-like stuff in Word
             Perfect?
CSS Pam    : Alice... want to take your original file, save it and
             send it to me?
CSS Pam    : I'll be able to check it out real fast!
CSS Dennis : for DOS Jo - yep.  Yechy program.
CSS Pam    : Gary says to NOT save it as a text file. Just as a
             Generic file.
CSS Jo     : (I know it too well!)
CSS Alice  : sure!.... and I'm not sure I understood you before...
             the second time I sent the file, that
CSS Alice  : I saved using DOS text.... you said the only prob was
             the \htext About.....
CSS Dennis : Someone want to turn the log off?  We're done  :)
CSS Alice  : were the hard returns gone from that?
CSS Pam    : It was VERY late. The hard returns were there. :(
CSS Jo     : I guess that's me (log off)
CSS Pam    : I wasn't seeing clearly. :)
CSS Alice  : ok, I'll try the original file, resave it as Generic,
             and resend it to you, Pam!  Thanks :)
CSS Pam    : That would be a good test, Alice. :)
12/16/93 12:21:39 AM Closing Log file.